God is good. I believe that He gives us information as we need it and we do not have to worry about what we don't know.

I believe that we start with believing that Jesus came to earth and died for us and was resurrected to glory. That He died for our sins. The Bible says that is the key to salvation. John 3:16. Everything else adds to our knowledge, but cannot add to our salvation. Jesus has done it all, at the cross.

Joe and I were Jehovah's Witnesses for almost 50 years. He was an "Elder" from the time he was 17. He stepped down as an Elder in 1981.

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He said that when he did that and sat in the meetings as just a spectator, he began to see a certain hypocrisy in the Elders. They said that they loved, but did not do it. In 1983, we began to read the Bible with another sister after the Watchtower study. We just read the New World Translation without using a Watchtower book. As we read, we began to see scriptures in a different light. When we got to Luke 11:11-13 we found out we could ask for Holy Spirit. This was a new concept to us because the Watchtower says that the "Other Sheep" cannot have Holy Spirit. That this is the anointing that only the "Little Flock" can have. This scripture says: God will give Holy Spirit to ANYONE asking.

Luke 11:11-13 NIV "Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

The New World Translation says: vs. 13: "Therefore if you although being wicked know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!" When we read this, we believed it.

An an article came out in "People" Magazine about Ray Franz leaving the Watchtower. In it he was telling what he believed that was different from Jehovah's Witnesses and somewhere in the article it said that the "Great Crowd," which is spoken about in Revelation chapter seven, was in heaven. We had known Ray for many years. He was a close friend of Joe's brother, who had known him in Bethel. I thought he had gone crazy. I believed that the Bible taught (without any doubt) that the "Great Crowd" was on earth. I had remembered that the Watchtower said that Brother Russell (the one who started Jehovah's Witnesses) had prayed for Holy Spirit to guide him, and now that I knew I could ask for Holy Spirit, I decided to find out the truth for myself. I asked God to show me the truth about this doctrine and started reading the Bible (the New World Translation). I read it three times and found that without Watchtower explanation, there is no proof that the "other sheep" or "great crowd" is on the earth. As a matter of fact, the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the New World Translation shows that the "great crowd" is in heaven. In the English translation under the Greek text, it says they are "in sight of the throne," in the "divine habitation" of God. This was the beginning of Holy Spirit leading us out of the Watchtower organization. We began to see that this was not the only place where the Watchtower had changed words from the original Greek to prove their doctrines. I began an intensive search of the scriptures, with the aid of Strong's concordance, to find out the truth. I was still using the New World Translation, especially the Kingdom Interlinear Translation. It is still easier for me to find the scriptures in this translation because we have used it since 1950. When I find them, then I go to other translations to check them out for clarity and accuracy.

During this time of intensive study, I was finding out that the 144,000 were said to be from the 12 tribes of Israel, it did not say they were "spiritual" Israel. I was beginning to understand that the "faithful and discreet slave" seemed to be talking about an individual and not a "class." Things that I had read a hundred times before began to be seen from a different perspective and I could see that Holy Spirit was teaching me the truth.

There were many other things that happened that were instrumental is leading us out of the organization, but basically everything that happened was orchestrated, I believe, by God's Holy Spirit.

I started missing the meetings because of the things I was beginning to understand from God's Word. My study, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, was revealing to me that the organization that I had believed, from childhood, to be God’s organization, was not teaching the truth of the Bible, but they were teaching doctrines that they had made up and then used scriptures taken out of context to try to prove them. After about three months, Joe asked me to come to the Memorial. I went. This was the last meeting I ever went to. After that Joe started missing meetings also. Many people stopped by and asked why we were not going to the meetings. We told them that we had questions about what they were teaching. Most of them went to the Elders and told them. When some very close friends came to visit from out of state, we discussed some of the things that we had doubts about. When they got back to Montana, the wife wrote me a letter and said that I should go to the Elders with our doubts. I wrote her back and said we had gone to several and they had no answers for us and I cited several questions that we had that they could not answer.

In December, 1983, we received a call from the Elders in the congregation that we attended telling us they wanted to meet with us on the grounds of "alleged apostasy." Joe and I talked about it and asked ourselves, "Why should we go?" We knew already they would not listen to us. But we decided to go to show them that we would stand up for our belief in God. They did not bring any witnesses, merely said that certain ones had told them what we had said, including our friends from Montana. They said they had a letter from them accusing us of apostasy, but could not, or would not, produce the letter. They would not listen to any scriptures that we tried to show them. They said , "We are not here to discuss the Scriptures, we are here to see if you are "apostates." We appealed their decision and came before a "judicial committee" of six men who upheld the first committee’s recommendation and we were disfellowshipped for apostasy on December 24, 1983.

Immediately, the news was sent to all the congregations in the Sacramento Valley and we were shunned by all the friends that we had made in our lifetime.

We have three daughters who are not Witnesses, although we raised them as such. The only ones of our children still Jehovah's Witnesses are our son and daughter-in-law and their children and a great-grandson. I have a sister and her family that are still in the organization also.

We know that God had us in the Watchtower for a reason. Because we were there for so long, we have a thorough knowledge of what the Watchtower organization teaches. During that time, we also became well acquainted with our Bibles and how to study and find scriptures. God is using us to minister to those who are now leaving. No one can understand unless they have been there. We found out that we could have a relationship with Jesus. That He loved us. We could pray to Him and He would listen. When we invited Jesus into our lives; we were literally born again. Our old life was over. Most of our relatives and our friends that we had known all our lives were gone. We had died to our old lives and everything was new. We are not bitter or angry now, although at first we could not believe that our life, as we knew it, was over. We love Jehovah's Witnesses and pray that all of them will come to know Jesus as we do. Our loving Father has given us a whole new life. We have people who love us unconditionally and the hope of living forever with Jesus.


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